Dr. Buttar Speaks – Thimerosal in Flu Vaccine? YES – Video Response

Posted on Sep 4, 2008 in Autism, Heavy Metals, Video Blog

A week or so ago, we referenced a blog post by Ms. Marcella Piper-Terry on her blog entitled “Thimerosal in Flu Vaccine? YES” and it received quite a bit of attention.  It also received a rather lengthy reply from an Unknown blogger by the name of Skepacabra that runs some sort of Tabloid “News” type blog.  Skepacabra went on to call Dr. Buttar an anti-vaccine kook on his blog.  Dr. Buttar has done a video response to this mystery blogger and gives quite a bit of information about Thimerosal in Flu Vaccines which you can watch below.  Below that, I have also pasted Skepacabra’s reply that Dr. Buttar references in the videos.



Skepacabra says:

Um, no. Actually it’s Marcella Piper-Terry who’s outright lying. First of all, nobody’s claiming Thimerosal has been removed from all childhood flu vaccines, only all the other childhood vaccines required by the age of two. Second, the great U.S. Thimerosal purge occurred in 2002, not 2004 as Ms. Piper-Terry claims…but of course who’s counting? Certainly not this woman who justifies giving out harmful medical advice by having such a firm grasp of the details. Third, while it is true at the time that some childhood vaccine reserves w/ Thimerosal did continue to float around a while after the purge that’s certainly not the case today. They’re certainly not still using flu vaccines from before 2002. Anyone else remember the flu vaccine shortage a few years ago? New flu vaccines had to be made because they ran out of old ones. But again, no one claims Thimerosal has been removed from all flu vaccines anyway, only the other vaccines. Given that those details were not explained by Ms. Piper-Terry, I’m left wondering whether she’s merely attempting to knock down a straw man by calling doctors liars for saying something that they never said in the first place.

Fourth, all of this is nothing but a red herring argument anyway since such small traces of Thimerosal in vaccines have been scientifically proven to have no link to autism or serious negative side effects. Remember, prior to 2002, in the late 90’s Scandinavia and Canada both removed Thimerosal from the majority of their vaccines too. Since both of these purges, the epic fail of the anti-vaccine movement has been that there has been no significant reduction of autism. And in California, the rate has even increased since 2002. This leads rational scientific minds to only one possible conclusion: VACCINES NEITHER CAUSE NOR CONTRIBUTE TO AUTISM!

Even if you were to argue that vaccines were only one of several causes/contributors to autism or that autism is the result of “too much too soon”, your hypothesis is still sunk as again we would expect to have seen a dramatic decrease in the rate of autism after the rather dramatic reduction of Thimerosal in vaccines. THAT HASN’T HAPPENED! This leads us to another rather definitive conclusion: either vaccines are not responsible for autism or they play such a minor role in autism (since such a dramatic reduction in Thimerosal showed no significant change) as to make the whole “debate” over Thimerosal unproductive, impractical, and just simply a waste of time, effort, and money.

And lastly, I should warn you that there’s Vitamin C in oranges. Vitamin C has been proven dangerous in large doses so keep it away from your kids. If you’re a rational person who understands why this is a absurd warning, you have no excuse not to recognize why your own position on vaccines is equally absurd. Good day.

Quotes and sources:
“From time to time, rumors circulate that thimerosal, a mercury-based preservative once used in several vaccines (and still used in some flu vaccine), could contribute to ASDs. However, valid scientific studies have shown there is no link. The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP), the American Medical Association (AMA), the CDC, and the Institute of Medicine (IOM) agree that science does not support a link between thimerosal in vaccines and autism.” -American Academy of Pediatrics (http://www.aap.org/healthtopics/Immunizations.cfm)

“The author concludes that recent studies have found no association between MMR vaccination and autism. The frequent embryologic neuroanatomic abnormalities found in children with autism lessen the likelihood that MMR immunization is a major risk factor. The Immunization Safety Review Committee of the Institute of Medicine and a special American Academy of Pediatrics panel have concluded that evidence does not support MMR immunization as a risk factor for autism.” -RICHARD SADOVSKY, M.D., American Academy of Family Physicians (http://www.aafp.org/afp/20020301/tips/14.html)

“On May 18th, 2004, the Institute of Medicine (IOM) released its eighth and final report from its Immunization Safety Review Committee. Based on a thorough review of clinical and epidemiological studies, neither the mercury-based vaccine preservative thimerosal nor the measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine are associated with autism, says the new report. Furthermore, the hypotheses regarding how the MMR vaccine and thimerosal could trigger autism lack supporting evidence and are theoretical only. Further research to find the cause of autism should be directed toward other lines of inquiry that are supported by current knowledge and evidence and offer more promise for providing an answer, said the committee that wrote the report. The American Medical Association (AMA) lauds the process that went into the creation of this scientific report and applauds the IOM and the CDC for their strong efforts in continuing to ensure the safety of the vaccines that are administered in the United States through post-market surveillance and studies such as this.” -American Medical Association (http://www.ama-assn.org/ama/pub/category/13703.html”

“Some people believe increased exposure to thimerosal (from the addition of important new vaccines recommended for children) explains the higher prevalence in recent years. However, evidence from several studies examining trends in vaccine use and changes in autism frequency does not support such an association. Furthermore, a scientific review* by the Institute of Medicine (IOM) concluded that “the evidence favors rejection of a causal relationship between thimerosal-containing vaccines and autism.” CDC supports the IOM conclusion.” –Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/thimerosal.htm)

“There is much debate regarding the correlation of childhood vaccines and the occurrence of autism in children. The weight of currently available scientific evidence does not support the hypothesis that vaccines cause autism. We recognize there is considerable public interest in this issue.” -U.S. Dept. of Health & Human Resources (http://www.hhs.gov/autism/)